The week before last I received an email from a constituent who had been watching the webcast of the infamous December full council meeting.
The meeting went down in the history books for Cllr. David Pugh’s bungling tirade against Cllr. Mike Stoddart. In a nasty, over-the-top speech based on a catalogue of untruths, Cllr. Pugh tried – and spectacularly failed – to defend allegations Cllr. Stoddart had made over the probity of grant schemes administered by the council. However my constituent was interested in contributions made to the meeting by Cllr. Pugh’s colleague, fellow cabinet member Cllr. Huw George, on an unrelated topic.
It was during the very brief debate over the first motion on the agenda, which was Goodwick councillor Gwilym Price’s bid to extend the street lighting provision by an extra hour in Goodwick to coincide with ferry port arrivals.
That there was any debate at all owed little thanks to chairman Cllr. Arwyn Williams, who, following Cllr. Price’s opening remarks and the customary “sorry, no-can-do” response from cabinet member Cllr. Huw George, was eager to take it to the vote. This was the very first council meeting to be webcast, and it’s clearly evident that Arwyn had already asked for a show of hands before muggins here chips in.
Muggins chipped in because of something Cllr. Huw George said about the main reason the proposal couldn’t be implemented – it was the high cost due to the complexity of the council’s street lighting setup. He said:
“I note that in the County Echo last week he [Cllr. Price] made a statement which said the cost savings [sic.] would only be around £500-600 and I think it’s a small price to pay. Well I can give him the exact price if he wants to. It’s £648.
But I wouldn’t want members to be kept in the dark about the full price of implementing this notice of motion, the capital expenditure for changing the lights – because each bulb has to be had especially designated – is £15,785. So the £648 has to be added to the £15,785, and I hope that shed lights on the matter and I move the recommendation [to reject the motion] as printed on page 35.”
After I prised the chairman away from taking an immediate vote, I said I found the large costs and the need to replace the necessary bulbs ‘incredible.’
Could it have been a slip of the tongue and he meant to say new timers? Well, in response to my own contribution, Cllr. George left little doubt that he knew what he was talking about, and his bulbs from his timers: “That’s just the way it is chairman, the way the bulbs have been bought, they’ve been bought specifically for that job. It’s not a matter of changing timers, it’s the way the system works.”
Cllr. Mike Evans then said: “I’d like to come in and enquire on that as well then, we have the director of transportation here who could perhaps clear this up. Is it the bulbs or is it the timers that are associated with these street lights? I think the cabinet member might be a little bit confused as he’s trying to shine so much light on this for us members that he’s actually forgotten the topic, so maybe the director could help us on this?”
The director’s services weren’t called upon by the chairman, instead, he duly roped in council leader, Cllr. Jamie Adams. When I transcribed Cllr. Adams’ remarks from the webcast it became clear that he furnished the chamber with a vintage example of his padded-out responses. Verbal diarrhoea replete with his trademark management-speak terminology, Cllr. Adams said:
“Chair, thanks. If I can add a bit of clarity to Cllr. Evans and Cllr. Williams’ points. Cllr. George is quite correct in terms of the setting up of bulbs at the factory effectively, and that is undertaken to take account of the timing issues that we have made with regards to our policy within the council, and if we refer back to that time, to that point, the discussion was around the timings that we sought to achieve.
Now they are pre-set at the factory as I’ve indicated, for midnight to 5.30. Now they are not exact in terms of their operation, and they do take account of atmospheric conditions, moonlight etcetera, so they are not an exact science, but they seek to provide light where it is necessary, so that’s the first point to make so Cllr. George is quite correct…”
One wonders just how confused councillors would have been had Cllr. Adams not dispensed his “bit of clarity.”
Someone who may have been able to add a bit of clarity – given the chance – is Cllr. Phil Baker. As I remarked in a post at the time, he also wanted to have his say, and signalled to the chairman his desire to speak. With years in civil engineering including road-building projects, Cllr. Baker’s input could have been helpful. So what did Arwyn do? Prevented him, of course!
“No no no no no, we’ve had enough debate on this, we’ll move on, thank you,” he says to Cllr. Baker, before asking his own party leader to sum-up. You can then see the vice chair, Cllr. Tom Richards (now chairman) informing our Arwyn that it’s actually Cllr. Price’s motion to sum-up, and the leader doesn’t always have a divine right to the last say. When it came to the vote, Cllr. Price’s proposal was, rather predictably, defeated.
After watching the meeting webcast, my constituent sent the council a Freedom of Information request for all makes and models of bulbs used in street lighting.
After he received the council’s response (which has also been published on the FoI disclosure log) my constituent set about emailing the bulb manufacturers to ask if any of their listed products “had any type of programmable built in timer.”
I won’t reel them all off, but the council provided a list of forty light bulb models from five different brands, ranging from the exotically named “Delux D/E 18W / 840 lumilux Cool White G24q-2,” to the more humble “SOX-E26W.”
All five bulb brands came back with a response, and it was at this point my constituent made first contact with me, saying in his email: “I think as Councillor George states, the responses may “shed lights” on “the way the system works” with regard to the light bulbs used by PCC!”
Osram
I can advise that the products you list do not have a built in programmable timer. These items are light bulbs and programmable timers are generally either part of the outer fitting, or remotely wired.
Venture Lighting
No, none of the below have a timer built in.
Philips
Those are all high intensity discharge lamps, none of which contain a timer.
GE Lighting
Those lamps haven’t got any timer built in.
So far, so convincing, but it was the response from Sylvania that interested JW most. A company with American roots that “introduced the first linear, or tubular, fluorescent lamp ever made” would surely know more about lighting than the Maenclochog minister, Rev. Huw George?
Sylvania
Can you explain exactly what you are looking to achieve? I don’t fully understand your question about an integral timer? I am not aware of any manufacturer that offers this solution. These lamps are typically used for large area lighting such as warehouses, car parks, roads etc. where switching is controlled by a central system or photocells on the unit.
Unlike Huw George or Jamie Adams, I don’t profess to be an expert on street lighting, and I’m also quite happy to admit I don’t know if the eye-watering £16k capital expenditure is accurate or if it’s an over or under-estimation.
But what I am pretty confident of is the assumed authority with which Cllr. George spoke on the topic – even when questioned – was seat-of-his-pants bravado. The sincerity with which he wings it is quite skilful, actually. And it’s not an isolated occurrence from the deputy leader who also finds time to be a reverend. Whether it’s his mastery of Newtonian physics, devising ground-breaking economic theorems, or displaying mystifying mathematical prowess, the ecclesiastical egghead gets all too easily carried away when speaking to a brief.
And he’s still at it!
Let’s also not forget the supporting ‘bit of clarity’ (which was anything but) offered up by Cllr. Adams, who leapt to his deputy’s side yet appeared to know little more on street lighting than the number-crunching clergyman.
And then there’s the supposedly impartial role of chairman, who was happy to facilitate Cllr. Adams’ ‘bit of clarity’ during the roughly eight minute debate, but then immediately afterwards cut Cllr. Phil Baker dead exclaiming “we’ve debated this in depth.”
The worst part of it all is that, well-informed or not, the ruling independent party more often doesn’t even need to present an argument, let alone win it. Independent group councillors – not all of them, but most – attend secret get-togethers ahead of full council meetings, where their party line is established.
The prime attendee at these meetings has always been the supposedly impartial council chairman.
Often what you see on the webcast has been dress-rehearsed a few days beforehand at one of these secret meetings, and when it comes to the real thing, the hands of ruling party members can sometimes be seen shooting up in the air to vote before others get a look-in.
The AGM just the other week provided a quintessential example. Cllr. Viv Stoddart was denied the opportunity to nominate her fellow unaffiliated councillor, Tony Brinsden, for one of the four vacant licensing committee vice-chairmanship posts (unpaid.)
She was denied because the chairman, Cllr. Tom Richards (or ‘Tyrannical Tom’ as he’s now known at County Hall water coolers) said she was too late, as the four nominations that had been made by Cllr. Daphne Bush had already been voted upon by a show of hands, all within three seconds!
Welcome to democracy, Pembrokeshire style!
❏The segment of the AGM webcast featuring Tyrannical Tom’s vote-but-not-a-vote (and Cllr. Paul Miller’s protest) has been posted on the Radio Pembrokeshire Facebook page. It’s attracted 53 comments – check it out!
It’s the results that count, not the process! Jacob you are impertinent for questioning a process that has an outcome that has saved £16k of the taxpayers money – just like that!
PCC webcasts could be prime time viewing if a bullshitometer was installed!
As dim as a Toc H lamp the pair of them.
Jacob, we should be “incandescent” about this as an example of the railroading the public are suffering!
Any doubts “argon” surely! The “light” must surely be dawning that the end is in sight, and that a “switch” is needed!
Is the saving not a direct correlation to the money paid to new Cabinet Portfolio holder, Rumpole Summons?
Perhaps I have misjudged the IPPG’s prowess in balancing the budget!
Furthermore Jacob it would be much better if you worked with cabinet and proposed a motion to commend them on saving so much money!
Perhaps the Maenclochog maestro should have stuck to tarmac:
Anyone who thinks 65+20=80 is likely to get their fingers burnt if they play with electricity.
How much money is being wasted, block paving on Bridge Street Haverfordwest, the work on the roads up to the new retail park. Well done on investigating the street lights.
As someone who spent a working lifetime in civil construction, reaching a senior position in a world renowned company and holding more than adequate professional qualifications, I am continually astonished how many people believe that their detailed knowledge of construction issues are always right even if they are farmers, ex policemen or ministers of religion.
In this case I see there being three scenarios, one – HG and JA thought they knew everything there was to know about street lights and did not bother to consult a professional so opening themselves to ridicule, two – they did consult a professional but did not understand what they were told so they made it up, or three – they were told what to say by a professional.
If the latter was the case then I sincerely hope that whoever informed them has taken note of their lack of professional knowledge, and has now taken appropriate action.
Tongue in cheek, there may be a fourth option – the professional wrote down what HG and JA should say to see how gullible the cabinet member and the leader were!
How do the ruling group, as a whole, allow themselves to be led by a leader and one deputy leader who do not mind, on a regular basis, pontificating on subjects that they know little about, and, it would seem, do not mind having red faces and add to that another deputy leader who seems to think that you can give two wildly differing answers to the same question and then convince himself that both answers are the same.
As an ex IPG councillor, with, I believe, a record of voting against the IPG party line more than any other IPG member, I would have resigned from the party if it had been led by the calibre of the present leadership, but upon reflection perhaps it wasn’t much better then.
Come on you rank and file, if you want to survive you have to change, and the first step is to change the leadership and elect a leader who is willing to put in positions of authority persons who are prepared to learn and understand their brief, who will come to meetings and answer questions when it is evident that they know what they are talking about.
Bullshit doesn’t really baffle brains but presently it seems that this is the case. It can cloud the issue but engineers do not like political compromise and would prefer to analyse the problem using facts and let the analysis speak for itself.
Jacob,
Thank you for linking to the YouTube video in my previous comment.
Strange that Cllr George’s election expense return contains no indication of its cost.
Another thing that has bothered me for some time is the inclusion of a photograph of Cllr George with children from a local primary school in the second part of the production. This picture was taken during Cllr George’s troubled reign as education supremo.
The Welsh Local Government Association (WLGA) has issued some valuable guidance on this subject:
As this picture was taken well before the election, and for an entirely different purpose – to publicise the school’s achievements – I very much doubt that the permission of the parents was ever sought before it appeared in Cllr George’s election puff.
However, when I raised the issue with PCC’s Monitoring Officer, I was told that I had misunderstood the WLGA’s advice.
Silly me!
I can vouch for the fact that former IPG member, HJ, Fishguard, was a serial rebel who frequently failed to toe the party line.
Could that be why the non-political, political party that never tells its members how to vote, ran a candidate against him in the 2008 local elections?
‘O wad some Pow’r the giftie gie us
To see oursels as ithers see us!
It would frae mony a blunder free us,
An foolish notion.’
I remember watching this and thinking these two weren’t explaining things correctly. And I’ll tell you why.
About 18 months ago I made a complaint about the street lights in our area not working properly, I think they were all going off much earlier than they should.
I was contacted by someone in street lighting who told me that it was a defective timer and that it would be replaced. One timer = lots of lights.
So was I being misled about why the lights on my street didn’t work, or were those two misinforming council about how the lights work?
There’s speculation in the Pembrokeshire Herald that our Bryn now drives a brand-spanking new lease car funded by ratepayers – a Porsche – a model with prices ranging between £64,000 – £131,000.
The good old Green Book for 2013/4 explains all.
The authority has 15,421 street lights, at least that’s what the Welsh Government are led to believe. So as part of their block grant, they, just like other authorities in Wales, were given £86.19 for maintaining each one. That’s a total of £1,304,000.
This figure presumably includes electricity and repairs. In the scheme of things a small part of this would involve things like re-setting timers etc in any case.
It sounds an eminently sensible idea to have them on when the ferry arrives – lots of vehicles and pedestrians and it’s dark. (After all, what else are they for?)
Certainly more useful there than some places up in the hills where god fearing folks don’t go out after dark anyhow. Also as the issue has been raised as a concern, are not the authority potentially liable to a claim in the event of an accident where the lack of lighting can be deemed a factor?
Somehow I think they would rather pay to have Kerr QC advise on that one than actually extend the lighting period for far less.
Does anyone seriously expect a Council leader who doesn’t understand how to claim for his expenses properly to know how a lightbulb works?
I should think that the manufacturers above were probably thinking what the enquirer had been smoking when they were asked if any bulbs had built in timers!
I do worry about the quality of our Councillors.
Goldinsboy, you might be right. As the saying goes, if you pay peanuts…
With regard to Cllr Huw George’s patronising 2012 video, it seems to me that the in-car video was filmed on a handheld device, probably a phone.
I find it surprising that the footage appears to be from the middle to the right hand side of the car, you can clearly see a parking ticket on the right side of the window. This would suggest to me that the driver of the car also filmed the video, this, as we all know, is very dangerous and illegal.
If the video was filmed by the driver then not only were they in great danger of losing control of the car but also of endangering other drivers and road users. If the video was filmed by a passenger holding the camera or phone in front of the driver it is also very dangerous and probably illegal.
I am sure last time I saw Cllr George in his car it was a right hand drive, but maybe a left hand drive car was used for his mega production.
I have always thought HG and JA weren’t very bright, now I have been enlightened (at no cost.)
Goldingsboy, ’tis indeed true, a 14 Plate Porsche Panamera 4 door currently being shared with BPJ Junior.
The Porsche would suggest that the not unreasonable request by Council that the Chief Executive repay the pay supplement he received as a result of an unlawful decision, has been responded to with the motoring equivalent of Churchillian disdain.
I am not surprised that the Reverend Huw does not understand how light bulbs work.
He simply says “Let there be light” and there is light.
Q:- Why has Jacob Williams changed his comment verification to entering numbers?
A:- Huw George kept getting the sums wrong!
Can anyone recall when Deputy Leader Councillor George gave his financial advice on pensions for highly paid staff and income tax arrangements, and what this was?
Did we ever get to see the HMRC advice to employers, suggesting ways in which they could help their highly paid employees avoid the Government’s newly introduced pensions restrictions that would disadvantage them?
OMG, the rumour about our CEO driving around in an opulent new Porsche, during this current period of financial austerity, isn’t exactly right – his son does!
One has to assume that we are also paying an eye-watering insurance premium, thus allowing this young man to drive the sort of car that most of us can only dream about. It also features in today’s Herald.
I wonder how many other executives of our council have a similar beneficial arrangement for their families’ travel arrangements and how much is it all costing?
Goldingsboy, assume no more. I haven’t seen this week’s Herald but a quote was printed in last week’s, attributed to ‘a council spokesperson,’ who said:
However there was no mention of the price.
Incidentally, at around 4 o’clock this afternoon I was driving to Tenby. Between New Hedges and Tenby, the Porsche passed me in the other direction.
We even insure the car as well? Don’t tell me he even gets 45p per mile for business mileage?
The lunatics who sanctioned this are running the asylum. Roll on UKIP to sort out out this shower running PCC.
On another subject, what is happening on the road up to the retail park in Haverfordwest, widening the pavement yet not many people walk up this piece of road, the money would have been better spent repairing the road that has pot holes in the town.
Now is the time to stop paying our rates then the council will go bust, the sooner the better.
Why all the fuss? After all, BPJ is not the first local Authority CEO to have a Porsche paid for by the public purse. John Gotwaltz did it 20 years ago! Also, what about NHS employee Brian Davies?
Jacob, the Herald has a photograph accompanying its story about PCC’s latest example of its oh-so-grateful generosity towards its CEO.
I don’t suppose you can upload it to your website, so that everyone in our county has an opportunity to admire the way in which public money is so prudently managed?
Saw the Herald published a Porsche Panamera photo today. If that photo hasn’t been ‘doctored’ then the registration plate looks a bit strange.
Reference to the Council minutes of 12 June 1995 (page 3 – available on the Council’s website) reveals that the present incumbent was appointed at the maximum point of the then salary scale, £63,000. It was agreed to the transfer from his then existing authority of the current arrangements for Mr Parry-Jones’ leased car. Two councillors had voted against this.
The minutes of 26 June 1995 include the minutes of the Appointments Committee (pages 1 & 2) and reveal that the shortlisted candidates had to give a 20 minute presentation based on:-
What do you believe are the most important factors to be taken into account in the development of Service Delivery plans and what are your views on the most appropriate organisational and internal management structures, necessary for the effective delivery of services in Pembrokeshire?
How would you ensure that your ideas are translated into policies and the policies are implemented?
On page 3, it is confirmed that Mr Parry-Jones had accepted the post of Chief Executive, subject to the clarification of one matter relating to his terms and conditions of service.
It seems from the outset that the Chief Executive was to be responsible, in the minds of councillors, for the development of Service Delivery plans, policies and the outcomes.
No wonder the IPG have no policies!
‘I cannot believe it’ – It is totally inconceivable that in Pembrokeshire, at a time when the Local Authority is making cuts to services and increasing the cost of things like meals on wheels, that Mr. Parry-Jones feels it is entirely reasonable to ask PCC to fund a Porsche for himself and his family.
This is nothing short of contempt for everyone in Pembrokeshire, including, perhaps most of all, those people in our Community, who, in increasing numbers, depend on food banks to feed themselves and their families.
The Leader of the Council and his Deputies should have realised that they had a moral responsibility to stop this quite disgusting display of conspicuous consumption.
I find it extremely upsetting – even more upsetting is the knowledge that Mr. Parry-Jones quite obviously does not see anything wrong in his actions.
People who have no understanding of, or empathy with, other people who are in different circumstances, are unsuited to be in Public SERVICE.
I have now seen yesterday’s Herald, and it’s quite obvious to me that the photograph they’ve used is a Porsche promotional/publicity photo of a left-hand-drive Panamera with a fictitious number plate.
As beautiful as Pembrokeshire’s coastline is, I’m not aware of any coastal roads in the county similar to that shown in the photograph. Also, the car is on the wrong side of the road for Britain!
Jacob, are you saying that Mr. Parry-Jones has not leased a Porsche?
Kate, to the best of my knowledge the chief executive’s taxpayer-funded lease car is a Porsche Panamera hybrid, and the photograph used in yesterday’s Pembrokeshire Herald is not of his actual car, but a generic promotional photo of a Panamera in the same colour, black.
His car deal only specifies the amount he can receive, not which car he spends it on.
Thank you, Dave Edwards, for clarifying that it is Bryn himself who has the political antennae and sensitivity of a stunned herring.
What was he thinking?
As David Edwards points out, it wouldn’t make any difference if the Chief Executive was driving around in a Rolls-Royce Phantom – he would still be entitled to an annual car allowance worth 12.5% of his salary and the balance would come out of his own pocket.
Where the problem arises is with the 12.5% annual allowance (roughly £20,000 in Mr Parry-Jones’ case).
This was set when he was first engaged at £60,000 per annum, but chief officers’ salaries have increased much faster than inflation and so have any perks calculated as a percentage of salary.
I recall a debate on this subject when I was a humble occupant of the the press desk. In defence of the car-leasing scheme it was claimed that the saving on mileage allowance – 45p per mile when using their own cars compared to 12p for leased cars – more than made up for the leasing costs.
This always seemed a dubious proposition to me and a quick back-of-the-envelope calculation reveals that for these mileage allowance differentials to compensate for the Chief Executive’s £20,000 leasing costs would required him to drive 60,000 miles per year on council business.
And that doesn’t include the cost of insuring the machine for the use of his family.
Mike, why has the County Council allowed salaries for Chief Officers to increase so much more than inflation? If BPJ was given salary increases in line with inflation do you think he would have left? I doubt it.
The 2012/13 accounts show that the Chief Executive received £194,661 in respect of gross salary, fees and other emoluments plus benefits in kind of £11,665.
Corresponding figures for 2011/12 were £208,170 and £10,017, plus in that year, employer’s pension contribution to the local government pension scheme of £30,000.
It would be helpful to know what “emoluments” (OED = profit from office or employment, salary), and “benefits in kind” are.
How much discretion have our councillors got on these additional payments?
Who, on earth, drew up the CEO’s contract, and did it undergo the scrutiny of the full council?
If we are all in this together, as Jamie says, can I have a Porsche?
Paul, what about the final salary pension and all the perks? You need to be more demanding.