As many readers will be aware from my previous post, a few weeks ago the Wales Audit Office essentially resolved my objection with Pembrokeshire County Council concerning the chairmanship of its audit committee, and whether the rules governing it are as I interpreted them or, as the council argued, otherwise.
I had objected to the fact that Cllr. Mike James – a member of the ruling IPPG – had chaired the December 2014 audit committee meeting because the rules clearly prevent an executive group member from chairing the committee.
The council pulled out all the stops to resist my viewpoint, even instructing an external lawyer who came up with some smart aleck legalese to show why I was wrong.
The Wales Audit Office put forward its view in a letter which wastes few words in picking our external lawyer’s handiwork apart.
It concludes that, what I was saying all along – that the rules are more wide-ranging than the council’s narrow interpretation – was a “reasonable expectation, and a matter of good governance” which the council failed to undertake, and that it would be best practice for the council to abide by in the future.
The key issue is that the audit committee’s vice-chair – or whoever chairs the committee in the appointed chair’s absence – should comply with the same rules passed by the Welsh Assembly for the appointment of the chair, in that he or she must not be a member of the council’s ruling group, the IPPG.
And so, on Monday last week, the first audit committee meeting of the 2015/16 municipal year was held. It gave us the first opportunity to put the WAO’s recent advice into practice because leading the agenda, us committee members were tasked with appointing the chair and vice-chair.
It came as no surprise that the ruling independent party members nominated, seconded and voted through the committee’s non-councillor lay-member, Swansea solicitor Peter Jones, to remain in the chair.
After saying his thanks, Mr. Jones moved the meeting on to the appointment of his vice-chair.
There are only two opposition councillors on the small committee – Cllr. Guy Woodham, a Labour party councillor, and yours truly, an unaffiliated or ‘dictionary’ independent – meaning we are the only two who qualify for the vice-chairmanship in the light of the Wales Audit Office’s letter.
At the start of the meeting it became apparent that Cllr. Woodham was absent, having tendered his apologies.
So it came as somewhat of a surprise when IPPG ultra-loyalist Cllr. Mike James proposed him for the vice-chairmanship in absentia, seconded by Cllr. Johnny Allen-Mirehouse.
Before the matter was taken to a swift vote I asked if anybody knew if Cllr. Woodham accepted the nomination, and whether it was possible for him to be nominated and installed to the post in his absence.
Having proposed him, you may think Cllr. James would be the first to confirm Cllr. Woodham’s acceptance of the role. Indeed, you would be forgiven for assuming Cllr. Woodham had personally asked Cllr. James to do him the honour, but he was in no rush to relay such an encounter.
My glance in Cllr. James’ direction only served to evoke a late-night country lane scene of a rabbit caught in the headlights.
But a rather hesitant Cllr. James was helped out by the authority’s chief finance officer, Mr. Jonathan Haswell, who intervened with:
“My understanding is that he [Cllr. Woodham] would accept the nomination.”
My ears pricked up with this revelation from the director. After I made a further interjection Mr. Haswell went on to reveal:
“I was aware the member [Cllr. Woodham] was going to be absent, and I asked could a member be nominated in their absence and I’ve been advised that they can.”
I asked if I could see all of this for myself. Mr. Haswell said he didn’t have this evidence to hand but suggested he could ask a council lawyer to come down to assist.
I welcomed the suggestion, only to be told: “this is becoming a habit, you know, arguing these points…”
JW was getting it from all corners because, fresh from his re-appointment to the chair, independent lay-member Peter Jones wanted to get something off his chest:
“Effectively, Jacob, what you’re saying is that Jon is not telling us the truth, that’s the implication of what you’re saying.”
I disagreed.
I used the delay for the legal officer to come down to probe the topic a bit further.
During the long wait the committee learned from Mr. Haswell that he had also discussed Cllr. Woodham’s candidacy with Cllr. Paul Miller, the leader of Cllr. Woodham’s Labour Party group:
“I have spoken to the leader of the member’s party, who also told me he wasn’t going to be here, and, you know, that is why I checked that we could nominate a member [in their absence].”
Such revelations seemed to lead in one direction – so I asked Mr. Haswell if he had visions of Cllr. Woodham becoming vice-chair before coming to the meeting, which he denied, claiming that he had looked into the matter after learning that Cllr. Woodham couldn’t be present.
Had Mr. Haswell been provided unsolicited written evidence from Cllr. Woodham accepting the nomination – or even more appropriately, had a fellow committee member provided the same – I may never have had cause to ask the questions I did.
But amid the answers, a picture emerges.
According to Mr. Haswell it was a long time before last Monday’s meeting – and during an unrelated conversation – that he first discussed the issue of the vice-chairmanship with Cllr. Woodham.
He gave no date, only to say that the conversation took place “when the initial discussions came up about the future vice-chair of this committee,” which can be measured in the months, rather than weeks.
In his own words, Mr. Haswell asked Cllr. Woodham “if he would be happy to be nominated” – to which Cllr. Woodham answered in the affirmative.
It wasn’t during this conversation – and he didn’t say how long afterwards – but Mr. Haswell subsequently learned that Cllr. Woodham wasn’t actually going to be able to attend the vice-chairmanship election meeting.
It was, presumably, following this that Mr. Haswell set out to establish if Cllr. Woodham’s absence precluded his chances.
Mr. Haswell denied having “approached” Cllr. Woodham on the topic, and justified his interest in the matter and discussion with Cllr. Woodham by explaining to the committee: “because I realised that, actually, that it [the vice-chair] would have to be one of the two opposition members.”
I don’t know how many other committee members Mr. Haswell discussed the vice-chairmanship with, if any at all.
But as the only other possible candidate for the role, I can confirm that Mr. Haswell’s interest in Cllr. Woodham’s candidacy contrasts remarkably with his absolute lack of interest in my own non-run.
No officer has ever discussed the topic with me – quite rightly so – let alone asked me if I would be “happy to be nominated.”
The audit committee oversees and scrutinises Mr. Haswell’s and his vast department’s affairs.
It’s a statutory committee which is backed up with some pretty strong powers, to delve deep into the authority’s financials, risks and liabilities, and can even compel council officers to attend to answer questions and give information.
In his senior role Mr. Haswell is closely associated with the committee and its work, but it’s difficult to see how getting involved in any shape or form with the committee’s politics is anything but bad form.
And it’s even more difficult to see how it rests with civil servants’ sacrosanct principle of impartiality.
The committee’s operation is a political matter, for its members only. All of whom – apart from Mr. Jones – are democratically elected.
You may recall Mr. Jones was appointed following an unusual application process last year, during which Mr. Haswell unilaterally extended the application deadline where Mr. Jones’ application was the only extra one received.
Of course there are going to be times when robust debate between politicians and their political views overlaps with officers and their highly-qualified professional advice, however the line between the two is distinctive enough.
But for an officer to discuss the candidacy of a particular councillor with the candidate himself as well as the candidate’s party’s leader, seems well beyond the practical and reasonable expectations of impartiality, which are far-reaching.
The council’s constitution states that employees “serve the Authority as a whole” and that they “must serve all Councillors” and “must ensure that the individual rights of all Councillors are respected.”
It also states employees “must not allow their own personal or political opinions to interfere with their work.”
All very noble requirements which, clearly, must cut both ways – in exchange, councillors mustn’t engage officers in personal or political matters as their job is to work for the good of the public in their professional capacities.
In the event, the council’s lawyer – who, it must be said, seemed sympathetic to the issues I raised – came down to address the committee and advised that he could find no requirement for a committee member to give a “positive indication” of his or her acceptance of the vice-chairmanship, nor that he or she had to be present at the meeting.
The chairman said to me he didn’t “sense that there is any support for your view” – and took Cllr. Woodham’s nomination to the vote, in which he was duly appointed.
But the tinpot vice-chairmanship election and my reservations on the day have faded to mere background music given the elements I teased out during the meeting, over which I have ruminated in the week or so since.
Following the meeting – and after reading Old Grumpy’s account after he witnessed it all from the public gallery – I became interested to learn more about the discussion Mr. Haswell said he had with Cllr. Paul Miller on the subject.
So I got on the telephone to the Neyland representative.
Cllr. Miller told me that his discussion of this topic with Mr. Haswell came at the end of a lengthy conversation the pair had had on an unrelated matter.
According to Cllr. Miller’s recollection of the conversation, it was Mr. Haswell who brought it up.
It took place just over a week or so before Monday’s meeting where the vice-chairmanship came up for appointment.
Mr. Haswell asked Cllr. Miller if his party’s representative on the audit committee – Cllr. Woodham – was going to be present.
My initial hunch that Mr. Haswell was only asking Cllr. Miller a question to which he knew the answer may have been premature.
Because according to Cllr. Miller, Mr. Haswell seemed to be unaware that Cllr. Woodham wouldn’t be available for the meeting, due to a holiday which he had already embarked upon.
He went about as far away (in every sense) as anyone can possibly get themselves from the Kremlin on Cleddau – a Caribbean cruise sandwiched between two stop-offs in the Big Apple.
Mr. Haswell then asked Cllr. Miller if he knew of any reason why Cllr. Woodham couldn’t be appointed as the committee’s vice-chair in his absence.
It’s all suggestive of more than just a passive interest.
During my conversation with Cllr. Miller I remarked how I found it interesting that he and the authority’s second-most senior statutory officer would find themselves discussing such a specific and outwardly humdrum topic.
Cllr. Miller said Mr. Haswell was taken aback to learn of Cllr. Woodham’s inability to attend the meeting as he thought that “they” were planning on nominating Guy Woodham to become vice-chair.
I asked Cllr. Miller who he thought Mr. Haswell meant by “they.”
His response: “Well, the IPPG committee members I assumed, who else could he have been referring to?”
I have no reason to disagree with Cllr. Miller’s deduction.
But what business this was of a very senior and supposedly impartial officer, escapes me.
And why an impartial officer should retain an active interest in the vice-chairmanship election of a committee directly scrutinising his and his department’s work – not to mention a particular councillor’s candidacy – is a matter of an altogether different significance.
We’re constantly told of the council’s change of ethos. Such stories hardly bear it out.





When is someone going to spare the people of the county this spectacle of the revolving door of jobs for boys please?
The Welsh Assembly must be condoning corruption by its distinct lack of action on multiple offences committed by the IPPG over the years.
What do the people of the county have to do to get justice? The police and its commissioner are not interested in investigating glaring injustices so who is looking after the interests of the population?
It’s all very intriguing, Jacob, but why would Mr Haswell and the IPPG members be so fearful of the prospect of you in the Audit Committee chair?
May one enquire what business it is of an unelected officer to involve himself in the question of who chairs a committee of elected councillors?
This should be a matter for elected members of the committee, and given the political majority of the IPG the result would appear to be predetermined. Officer involvement should be to ensure legal probity and compliance with statutory procedures and regulations.
It would appear that officer involvement in the process to appoint the independent lay Chairman is open to question too. This should be limited to collating applications for presentation to a selection panel composed of councillors.
The ethos of an officer controlled and directed IPG dominated council still seems to be the order of the day.
In my opinion it appears that IPG councillors, if not the IPG, have been set up to support officers and protect “The Council” at all costs, at our expense. In return, IPG members can play with special responsibility allowances, obtain the full weight of professional officer support when individual IPG councillors transgress on such matters as late expense claims, and misuse of council resources on party election publicity.
To cap it all, IPG councillors do not have to think of any county policies, which are officer led, and significantly directed by Welsh Government.
Recent actions hardly point to a change in the ethos and ethics of this council, at both officer and member levels. Another nail in the coffin of this disreputable council.
The Leader was reported in the Herald last week on saving Pembrokeshire on the grounds that it is able to provide a greater degree of local democracy and accountability. Why hasn’t it done so?
Has anyone got an update into the grants fiasco? An incorrect internal audit clearance, tampered meeting minutes, evidence of incorrect statements made at full council by leading IPG councillors – where I do not think that the council’s formal record has ever been corrected, and of course the ongoing police investigation.
Although the identity of the vice chairman of the audit committee is not a matter of crucial importance, this episode is further confirmation of my theory that, where PCC is concerned, things are never as they seem.
In the normal course of events, Cllr Mike James would have proposed Cllr Woodham and the deal would have been sealed.
It was only when Jacob indulged his “habit” of raising these fine legal points that it became obvious that this had all been stitched up beforehand.
It is a sad fact of life that those in power don’t much like the rule of law, especially when it curtails their freedom of action.
As Tony Hancock put it: “Magna Carta! Did she die in vain?”
All these shenanigans in the County Council will make it extremely difficult to persuade the WAG that Pembrokeshire County Council should remain as a responsible separate Local Authority.
The Officers and IPPG members really are woodentops.
Another great read Jacob! Shared!!!
Guy Woodham is back from his holiday. I believe he is a follower of JW’s blog so perhaps he would like to post his side of the story.
I cannot say that the prospect of going back to Dyfed appeals to me, but the IPPG and council officers are giving the Welsh Assembly all the ammunition it needs to push forward with it.
Last time most of the money allocated stopped at Carmarthen, but with Jamie’s and his cronies’ lack of integrity looks like it will happen again.
During the current climate of austerity and financial hardship within the council, this committee should be seen as having responsibility for challenging officer pathways.
Unfortunately it once again appears to be an example of the long standing type of control arising from the IPPG stranglehold. Their vision seems to be narrow minded and Keanjo’s comment does sharply focus readers on what might happen at the next county council election.
John Hudson’s enquiry into past shenanigans associated with PCC needs answering of course, but the entrance of Cllr. Guy Woodham into this blog would be helpful.
If his appointment as Vice Chair benefited from an officer’s involvement then the Wales Audit Office may well be interested once again in the council’s business, alongside a referral of the matter elsewhere.
The ‘right’ outcome here is clear.
1) Councillors Miller and Woodham need to have a serious chat, and in order to distance the Labour party from this debacle, Woodham should stand down.
2) A truly independent body should establish whether Haswell has crossed the line and needs formal censure.
Let’s recap here.
An “independent” lay member was appointed in curious circumstances after the authority’s officers, having rejected other previously submitted applications, extended the application window.
The said lay member was appointed chairman.
Ruling group member Cllr Mike James appointed vice chair, dare one conjecture that the appointed chairman wasn’t planning on turning up too often!
Referee calls foul, vice chair clearly offside and sent off!
Accepting the lesser of two evils, Cllr Woodham (apologies) was preferred for the job, rather than over inquisitive and analytical JW.
Senior officer, who would be directly scrutinised shows active interest in the result.
There is no truly independent scrutiny within the authority, as this is it. This is exactly why a Ministerial Board was appointed and needs to be convened asap.
Meanwhile Cllrs Miller and Woodham are in an interesting position. Poor Mr Jones would have to attend each and every meeting if JW was vice chair!
Local government is the greatest scam perpetrated on the people of Wales.
Incompetent cash grabbers and what looks like a revolving cast of managers and CEOs going from one authority to another on a wink and a nod from one set of corrupt councillors to another.
All the while there has been no oversight from the Welsh Assembly and no respite for the mug taxpayer from the lies and deceit of the ruling party. Seriously WA, it’s about time you took a stand and send in some real investigators to look into misuse of public funds and why local government officers are not doing the job they are paid to.
Make them accountable and put them before the courts to encourage the others to do their jobs as per contract.
Does anyone know if local government officers have some sort of written code of conduct, and whether it is publicly accessible?
I can’t remember the post of Finance Director being advertised on the open market. Was it?
Dear, dear Flashbang, haven’t you read the last page of the local government handbook?
Look for the section that says when it all turns too shitty avoid accountability at all costs, cry ‘lessons must be learnt’ in English and Welsh three times then trigger a reorganisation of local government.
Perhaps a solution to this impasse may be for Mr Haswell to act as a sort of agent for all councillors – finding out when they are on holiday etc. He could even contract a medium (council have plenty of money!) to help him predict who will be sick and when etc.
That way Mr Jones, as chair, could book his holidays to coincide with JW’s, or everyone else could be sick if Mr Jones was.
That way things could carry on as normal!
Many are called but few are chosen!!
The wait for some response from Councillor Woodham could be described as a pregnant pause followed by a deafening silence.
Not sure how many readers are aware but Guy Woodham LL.B. (Hons), Pembrokeshire County Councillor, Milford Haven Town Councillor and formerly its Mayor, has also recently been accepted into the Freemason fraternity.
How does he find the time!
Hmm, I seem to remember that the Labour Party introduced a rule, way back following the Poulson affair, that membership of the Freemasons had to be openly declared to the comrades when running for political office.
Presumably, Cllr. Miller will have been forewarned in the manner prescribed.
Guy Woodham a Freemason! He’ll be joining the ‘male only’ Waterloo Club next.
Goldingsboy, Freemasonry membership (of a lodge within the county) must be declared on county councillors’ registers of interests, as Cllr. Woodham’s has been.
As you say Jacob, members only need to declare membership of lodges within the area of the council’s jurisdiction.
That means someone could be a member of a lodge in Cardigan, Whitland or Carmarthen and keep this from the electorate.
So it is to Cllr Keith Lewis’ credit that his register of interests records: MEMBER OF THE FRENNI LODGE OF FREEMASONS, CARDIGAN AND ASSOCIATED ‘SIDE’ DEGREES.
My understanding is that “degrees” in this context have nothing to do with universities, but are based on knowledge of the complex rituals associated with the brotherhood.
As a trained professional auditor, my training, all those years ago was founded on the doctrine that not only did you have to be impartial, you had to appear to be impartial.
It’s about time people in power read their rules (from the WAG downwards I must add) and remember that they are there to serve, and must be seen to be serving.
Ivor, ever heard of self service?
The draft 2014/15 accounts are available to view on the council’s website, and are open to public inspection at the moment.
Page 62 reports on officers’ remuneration and the table shows that the council did not pay any employer’s S&P contributions in respect of the Director of Finance and Leisure (retired May 2014) in 2014/15.
The appointed auditor’s reservations about the pensions opt-out for senior officers was known about well before the start of 2014/15 financial year, and the council rescinded the Senior Staff Committee’s approval for the scheme in February 2014, which was, again, before the start of the financial year.
What does this mean?