Users of Pembrokeshire County Council’s webcasting facility may have noticed one of the more recent archived meetings has nothing to do with the authority or its committees.
The police and crime commissioner for Dyfed-Powys, Christopher Salmon, used the council chamber on November 18th for his ‘Policing Accountability Board.’
No, nor me.

Mr. Salmon’s website says this is a monthly affair where he scrutinises the police force’s work and holds the chief constable, Simon Prince, to account.
Unfortunately this televised extravaganza occurred before news broke in the nationals that a formal investigation is underway into claims of misconduct concerning an alleged extramarital relationship between the force’s deputy chief constable and legal director.
So no public grilling on that one.
But it did take place after high profile media reports that Langley received a whopping £55k of taxpayers’ cash in 2012 to relocate from Lincolnshire police.
We paid for a silky smooth transition for Mr. Langley as the sum is said to have gone towards removal expenses, redecoration of his new house plus a tax bill.
Alas, no scrutiny in front of the cameras on this, either!
Open to the public, each of the commissioner’s accountability board meetings focuses on a particular ‘strategic priority,’ which for November was ‘Enhancing Access to Policing Services.’
The two-and-a-quarter hour session is a veritable snoozefest and unless the sleeping pills are running low I recommend readers steer well clear.
In his opening remarks Mr. Salmon welcomed two members of the public. Not interesting in and of itself, but he said these attendees were ‘local councillors.’ The camera didn’t pan across so viewers – if any – were left wondering.
So I skimmed through the long broadcast to see if they made an appearance. And they did, at later point when Mr. Salmon invited questions.
Sitting side-by-side were IPPG loyalists Cllrs. Brian Hall and Steve Yelland.
The duo may have some explaining to do to their ruling-party leader because they were sitting in the opposition benches reserved for unaffiliated independent councillors – or the Uglies, as Cllr. Rob Lewis famously branded us.
Pembroke Dock representative Cllr. Hall asked Dyfed-Powys’ finest if the town’s CCTV system is to be monitored over the Christmas period.
Clearly a diligent local member concerned about maintaining law and order in his patch, Brian could have probed the police’s inactivity on the council’s referral of Pembroke Dock grant scheme corruption allegations.
He could have asked them why, having been handed an evidence dossier on a plate by the authority’s finance chiefs in February 2014, they’ve dragged their heels on the case so far.
Slipped his mind, I’m sure!

Schools of thought
The recent extraordinary council meeting on education went much as expected.
Leader Cllr. Jamie Adams and his education cabinet member, Cllr. Sue Perkins, stressed how the council had listened to the St. David’s peninsula’s views and responded to them.
After all, Solva folk didn’t want their village school to close down and St. David’s didn’t want to lose its secondary school either.
So now we have a new arrangement where they’ll both be closed down anyway but re-opened as satellites of a new voluntary aided 3-16 age church school.
Solva CP will merge with St. David’s-based Ysgol Dewi Sant (currently 11-18) and Ysgol Bro Dewi (already a VA primary school.)
The benefits of this arrangement aren’t immediately obvious when Solva School is still in special measures and, according to inspectors Estyn: “prospects for improvement were found to be unsatisfactory because of weaknesses in leadership and performance management.”
And quite how this arrangement is ‘transformational’ or, more to the point, why it is only now seen as a good idea when the school in September was deemed by council officers to be in poor condition with “major deterioration” and “inhibited” teaching methods – requiring “substantial ongoing repair and maintenance to ensure its ongoing viability” – is also open to question.
Going in Solva CP’s favour is that it’s attended by nearly all catchment area pupils so there’s no dreaded ‘surplus places’ issue.
Through the sort of U-turn only local government practitioners can pull-off with a straight face, these community assets seem to have been secured – almost the complete opposite of what was proposed for seemingly fundamental reasons just weeks before. No doubt there were many forces at play.
Those with an interest in the subject will recall it took a forced dose of truth serum for Solva’s local member, Cllr. Lyn Jenkins, to realise she’d better account for her untrue claim at the initial council meeting that the prospect of her village school’s closure was all news to her.
The strong message which subsequently came from the peninsula seems to have sunk in. Although there are still concerns over the three schools’ viability under this new arrangement, you can’t say the people haven’t been listened to – or the recommended vote would have certainly been for the previously-planned total closures.
A much louder voice has expressed Haverfordwest pupils’ and parents’ opposition to the removal of secondary school-based sixth form from their town.
Choice is what they’re after – between the college or sixth form to do their A levels. They currently have this choice and in overwhelming numbers have opted for sixth form over the college.
Current plans for the council and Pembrokeshire College to collaborate on a new sixth form centre will leave the county town’s pupils with no choice.
But the council’s officers and senior councillors seem somewhat reluctant to revisit the plans, despite a long-running and well-organised campaign agin.
Cllr. Mike Stoddart’s attempt at the meeting, which I seconded, that would have allowed the council to consult on an alternative plan with an option of a school-based sixth form in Haverfordwest was ruled out of order by the authority’s legal eagles, so if this does eventually become the council’s adopted policy, the process won’t be nearly as smooth as it was for the St. David’s peninsula.
Unfortunately, Haverfordwest councillors’ voices have been somewhat muffled, too.
Old Grumpy has recently written on this topic and I understand he will soon post an interesting update on Haverfordwest councillors and their so-called ‘prejudicial’ interests.
Guns at dawn
It was nice to see Cllr. Brian Hall’s jestful comment on Pembroke Dock’s new Aldi store approved at last month’s planning committee meeting wasn’t wasted.
The Western Telegraph headlined its article with Bri’s suggestion that he would probably be “shot before dawn” by townsfolk if he didn’t support the redevelopment of the scruffy London Road plot.
“Why wait until dawn?” asks one of the WT’s readers!




Hi Jacob, I don’t mind you passing comments about me but you should get your facts right. If you had watched the police scrutiny panel properly you would have seen and heard the question that I asked the Chief Constable regarding security at our ferry ports so your comment regarding that I said nothing is totally in correct.
I do apologise, Steve. Like I said, I only skimmed through the webcast – that must go down as one of your only contributions in the council chamber.
I’ll make the necessary amendment forthwith!
Strange that PCC can webcast an outside body but not its own committees.
LOL! In correct! Incorrect!
Dave, that may change on Thursday (wouldn’t bet on it, mind!) as full council will be debating my notice of motion to webcast cabinet meetings.
I hope to write about it on here beforehand as this bumper meeting is also where the council’s long-awaited new constitution is up for adoption, and several other NoMs will be considered.
While I understand that the new constitution does make provision for a “Public Question Time” by individuals (with appropriate rules), it does not provide rules for a public right to submit petitions.
This should be included with appropriate rules for their submission and formal procedures for consideration by council, including a requirement for a report back, by council to the petitioners.
It struck me at the Corporate Governance Committee meeting, that the constitution has been drafted on the basis that it is for the council’s internal use, with little regard for use as a tool for requiring a standard of public information to be set before council in the formal minutes.
At the moment, the Leader can change his cabinet on a whim. We on the outside do not know who is on the cabinet, or what they do. There should be a requirement put on the Leader to get this information on the formal public record in the council minutes.
There was also much debate about the content of the webcast and printed minutes. The Leader is obviously not a fan of the more expansive detailed public record of printed minutes which includes some developing verbatim comments.
Without the detailed agenda and reports, not much can be made of decisions in minutes that refer to “as included in the report”. Minutes are required to be kept as the formal record of council’s decisions. These can be referred to in any subsequent formal challenge. While agendas and reports can be disposed of after 5 (?) years, minutes have to be kept in perpetuity.
The council would be in some difficulty in producing evidence of its decisions based on minutes that refer to non-existent reports. Similarly, complaints about deficiencies in the council’s decision making process will be difficult to substantiate without access to the reports.
The council’s constitution is not just an internal working document. It should provide us with confidence and protection from abuses of power by officers and councillors. The existing constitution provides officers with a lot of wriggle room for legal “interpretation” depending on circumstances, as we all know.
I was told, at the outset, that it was not necessary for everything to be included in the current constitution.
How interesting. The “impartial” crime commissioner introduces two unnamed, and unrevealed, members of the IPPG as “members of the public”, especially in view of current police investigations into the Pembroke Dock Grants’ scandal.
Certain questions spring readily to mind:
1. Was the agreement of the full council sought for the holding of this meeting, or is it in the gift of the Chief Executive?
2. Did a notice of the Crime Commissioner’s meeting go out to all Members of the Council?
3. Whether invitations to attend extended to each and every member of the council?
4. Who, or what body, decided upon the composition of those entitled to attend?
5. Were expenses incurred by the “public” met from the Council’s budget, and under what authority?
I see that PCC has got its bottom slapped by the Wales Audit Office but still Jamie Adams is spinning it into an opposite opinion.
It’s not difficult to be the “most improved council” when you have consistently been the worst in the land.
I think there should be a prize given if someone can name what exactly they improved at.
Goldingsboy, I think the commissioner’s reference was that they were merely attending the meeting (which was open to the public) rather than participating invitees, so I wouldn’t suggest anything untoward.
However I can answer some of your questions to the best of my knowledge:
1) Not full council but no idea who; 2/3) I didn’t receive an invitation to attend or a notice it was being held, however as it was open to the public 4) is not really applicable – those with an interest are probably expected to know about it through the media. As for 5), stranger things have happened!
“Most improved” council – not difficult if you start from a low base.
Ah yes – here we go – popcorn time.
http://www.audit.wales/publication/pembrokeshire-county-council-corporate-assessment-2015
Perhaps Jacob, Old Grumpy, with his unrivalled historical record of searching through the dodgy expense claims, can rise to the challenge of Question 5?
Goldingsboy, I don’t doubt the old duffer’s track record on uncovering dodgy expense claims, but we now have incontrovertible proof that at least one of the said pair of councillors reads this.
As you’ve now raised the prospect here, I strongly suspect if any dodgy expense claim had been written out for this event it’s now in a thousand pieces at the bottom of a shredder!
To qualify as an approved duty for which expenses could be claimed and reimbursed, it has to be authorised.
Several standard duties are set out in the rules. The CEO has delegated authority to authorise those instances outside the standard ones.
In past instances when asked at the public inspection of accounts, I was told that the CEO had done so, but there did not appear to be any formal documentation authorising the approved duty.
No doubt the Director of Finance, when certifying a claim for payment, would have been aware that the correct authorisation existed, as would be the councillor before attending the “approved duty”.
Councillors may well have been present at County Hall anyway, doing councillor type things.
Ah, yes, good point Jacob. But reflect for just a moment, my injudicious question may have saved the council’s coffers, however small, from the fumblings of greedy fingers.
I’m intrigued by John Hudson’s reference to councillors “doing councillor type things”.
This term is very much in the vein of Private Eye. I like it a lot!
It’s certainly one way of referring to our elected representatives that’ll keep the lawyers happy!
Jacob, you should be honoured that a leading member of the IPPG reads your blog.
Mention of my website in the tearoom, usually brings forth mutterings of “I never read that sort of rubbish”.
It is noticeable that Cllr Yelland is sitting in my seat.
Perhaps he was testing it out in case he decides to jump ship before the next election.
A quick scroll through the pictures in this piece could leave one thinking they are looking at an unfolding courtroom drama. What with Mr Salmon at the high table looking judge like and the uniformed representatives of the constabulary. That leaves the IPPG councillors looking decidedly like the accused in the dock.
Guilty M’lud…
Amazing that the police have time for this sort of PR nonsense but take years to look into the Pembroke Dock grant scandal.
I know what would impress me most. Why wasn’t MS or JW invited, they could have put the question.
Several issues about basic grammatical and spelling errors in the Chief Constable’s report, apparently, see 22.30-23.24. Did no one bother to check it, as it is a public document?
Also problems dealing with calls from the public in Welsh, 18.29-19.36. Tough luck if you are a Welsh speaker – the service you receive is worse than for English speakers.
Mike, I’m sure that’s what many people think about your website – not just the disgruntled IPPG members who you write about!
Patrick, fair play to you for sticking with it, you must be made of tough stuff.
Keanjo, maybe there is an election coming?
What is so intriguing to me, Jacob, is that Cllr Yelland is way ahead of us all in response to this latest posting.
His curt rejoinder regarding your casual oversight is timed at 8.46pm on the very day of publication.
Are you, by chance, able to check how much time elapsed before he “sent” his demand for a correction?
And what, if anything, does it tell you about the paranoia in the IPG ranks that surrounds you and that sullen, sulky sod on that other website?
I published at 5.30pm and he submitted his comment at 8.46pm.
Nice to know he has an active interest in the blog – and fair play to him for commenting on here.
As a Haverfordwest area member he may have also taken the opportunity to pass comment on the other topic I featured – namely the controversial proposals to radically shake-up Haverfordwest secondary/post-16 education provision.
The deeply unpopular plan put forward by his ruling IPPG party will directly affect the pupils within his ward, I and many others believe, negatively.
With the hopeful introduction on Thursday this week of my proposal for public questions at council meetings, Pembrokeshire constituents may soon be given the chance to raise topics in the council chamber themselves.
With the young upstart suggesting “that’s what many people think about your website” (i.e. it’s load of rubbish) and Goldingsboy describing me as a “sullen, sulky sod” I am beginning to think that being branded a liar by Cllrs Johnny Allen-Mirehouse and David Pugh, and “the most evil bastard in Pembrokeshire” by Bryn Parry-Jones, is not so bad after all.
As for the question of the extent of Cllr Yelland’s contribution to the several debates held so far on the reorganisation of secondary education in Haverfordwest, I can say with some confidence that it has been zilch, diddy-squat, zero, naught and nada in no particular order.
The interesting question is put by Keanjo as to why ‘MS’ or ‘JW’ weren’t invited? They could have then asked the question about delays in the police looking at the Dock grant scheme.
Neither councillor needed to be invited so it is very surprising that neither took the opportunity to raise the perceived police ineptitude on this issue, face to face so to speak…
Too busy crafting blogs perhaps.
At the top of the agenda on Thursday’s full council meeting councillors will be receiving a presentation from the force’s chief constable, Simon Prince. It’s been planned for some time.
A fitting opportunity for councillors interested in probing any police issues they want to.
But you probably already knew all about that. However I wouldn’t find it “very surprising” if you didn’t – you were probably too busy reading blogs!
I should have mentioned on my previous comment that, if the Leader finds out that he has been visiting seditious websites, Cllr Yelland’s promotion prospects will be on a par with his contribution to the education debate.
Strange, but visiting PCC’s website, on several occasions recently I cannot find the relevant search word that will take me to the webcam archive and yet I have managed it in the past.
Am I being a little too cynical in thinking that someone in the Kremlin has made it difficult to find, in order to cite poor viewing figures as a reason to discontinue the service?
http://www.pembrokeshire.public-i.tv/core/portal/home
A number of years ago I was one of four opposition councillors who journeyed to Carmarthen to meet with Ceri Stradling the then District Auditor with a detailed dossier on the fraudulent travelling expense claims being submitted by a certain cabinet member.
The estimable Cllr John Allen, one of the last principled Lib Dems in the County, was with me. We were dismissed with the words “In my view you are playing politics and I will not investigate”.
Just who are we to go to? Certainly not the police. I tried that years ago and it resulted in me being interviewed by plod accused of composing anonymous letters.
I am ashamed to admit that they so intimidated myself and my family I stopped asking questions. I did however receive a written apology from the then Chief Constable!
I’ve also been threatened by the late not very lamented Dr Ryan that unless I paid several thousand pounds I would be sued for libel. This direction came direct from County Hall.
The lesson? In Pembrokeshire be very very careful, as they will try to shut up those who ask awkward questions.
As I previously said, corruption takes many forms.
Michael Williams, I hope you kept the dossier and a record of who you talked to and who actively tried to derail your complaint.
It would be great if you could name names so the public knows who is corrupt and who is pulling their strings.
Who in County Hall directed Ryan to sue for libel?
Mike Stoddart should be suing Pugh for libel and slander as he has an iron-clad case. It’s all on the public record too.